IGRC retired pastors pen letter on gun violence

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1/23/2013

 

Rev. Howard Daughenbaugh

Rev. Miley Palmer

A pair of IGRC retired pastors have authored a letter on the gun violence and are urging legislative action to address the recent shootings in the United States – “self-inflicted” and “willful” violence by fellow Americans.

Read the full text of the letter...
 
Rev. Miley Palmer and Rev. Howard Daughenbaugh are the primary authors of the letter, which is offered as part of a national movement called Demand A Plan, which sought to have 1 million signatures on a petition within the first month following the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.
 
In addition to Daughenbaugh and Palmer, the letter is also signed by the following persons: Rev. Jim Bortell, Roberta Bortell, Rev. Paul Unger, Judith Unger, Rev. John Robert McFarland, Rev. John Hartleroad, Judy Hartleroad, Peggy Scott, Steve Gossard, Kathy Gossard, Rev. Terry Clark, Janice Clark, Rev. Larry Lawler, Rev. Leah Pogemiller, Larry Bross, Carroll Bross, Rev. Burt McIntosh, Rev. Mike Jones, Rev. David Gaffron, Dr. Geoffrey L. Story, Bettie W. Story, Dr. Bob Hathway, Barb Hathway, Carolyn Yockey, Bill Miller,
Martha Miller, Rev. Clyde Snyder, Rev. Gene Mace and Sally Mace.
 
For Rev. Palmer, his wife Janet, and for the Maces, the issue of gun violence took on personal meaning when the Palmers’ and Mace’s granddaughter, Ryanne Mace, was one of five victims when a gunman entered a lecture hall on the campus of Northern Illinois University five years ago Feb. 14.
 
“It would be inexcusable for our society and, most of all, for the church to remain silent on the issue of gun violence in our midst.  To do nothing or to do anything that will further arm our society is unconscionable and unfaithful,” the letter said.  “Following the course of silence or the path that further encourages the development of an armed society does not enhance public security; it only increases the possibility that further tragic events will happen among us.”
 
The letter offers a 12-point plan aimed at addressing the issue. They include:
  • The enforcement of present laws, particularly in bringing the data base of prohibited gun purchasers up to date.
  • Extending present laws to cover all gun purchases, particularly at unlicensed firearms sales venues such as gun shows – and subsequent re-sales of those weapons in future years.
  • Creating new laws to limit the sales of assault weapons, automatic weapons conversion kits, weapons that cannot be detected by metal-detection devices, and ammunition such as “cop-killer bullets” that are obviously designed to wreak massive damage on human victims; they are not for hunting game.
  • Passing federal legislation to regulate the importation, manufacturing and sale of guns and ammunition to the general public.
  • Developing (possibly through the United Nations) a legally-binding Arms Trade Treaty to regulate the transfer of all small arms and light weapons so as to reduce gun violence throughout the world.
  • Bringing together mental health professionals, educators, and clergy, along with other appropriate groups, to initiate a national dialogue concerning the care of mentally and emotionally disturbed persons.
  • The easy availability of guns needs to be addressed.
  • A dialogue about the violence-obsessed culture in our nation. Surely the excessive depiction of violence in our mass media (movies, TV, video games, etc.) has an impact on our children and youth.
  • Churches need to initiate dialogue within their own congregation and in their own community about gun safety, violence prevention, and what adults can do to help keep our children safe.
  • A call to pastors to take leadership in their teaching role to help the congregation and community enter a dialogue about a wide-spread ideology in our nation that peace and justice can only be secured by violence.  
  • Churches and educators should come together with law enforcement officials to discuss issues of keeping our children, schools, and churches safe from gun violence. 
  • Churches and health care professionals also need to come together to discuss plans for helping children, families, and communities cope in the wake of publicized mass killings in schools and other public places.
“Many of these ideas are found in The Book of Resolutions, but more than any resources is our heritage of faith formed by scripture, tradition, reason and experience,” the letter concludes. “If we learn nothing else from these resources, we should learn that maintaining the status quo or further arming our society are not the answers. We don’t have to start from scratch in talking about (the issue). Let us keep the conversation alive and the pursuit of creative answers progressing.”

 

Comments

1. Barry King wrote on 1/23/2013 2:45:46 PM
I am the lay Leader of 1st numited Methodist ch Benton IL.Gun control is a topic of concern to me .Being English we had our Hand Guns removed from us following a mass killing at Dumblain Scotland .We still had some weapons but these where limited to single shot rifles .Our gun permits are obtained after a six month education period and have to prove mental capacity .I can never see how any person cal claim the right to own weapons is a right of freedom and yet we call our self a christian society Ban all assault weapons and gun cards issued with peraonal refreances as in uk
2. Bill Pyatt wrote on 1/23/2013 7:44:18 PM
Grateful to Miley and Howard for raising our vision.
3. James Tinzmann wrote on 1/24/2013 12:30:16 PM
I join with others within our United Methodist family to encourage further conversation regarding gun violence in the United States. In my judgment, it is urgent that we puruse enforcement of existing laws to ensure gun safety. I believe we also must pursue new legislation in the spirit recommended above. Echoing Bill Pyatt above, I am grateful to Miley and Howard for raising our vision.
4. Scott gardner wrote on 1/25/2013 11:29:54 AM
First I need to explain that I attend the Methodist church regularly and well aware of their liberal stance on many issues. I tend to agree with most of them, but had to speak up. I agree with some but certainly not all of these ideas. try enforcing existing laws, keep guns out of the hands of known criminals, wife beaters, and insane people, the mechanism to do this has existed since the Brady bill. there is no Gun Show loophole, at least in my state, all sales have to go through a background check. There is no such thing as an "Assault weapon" it is a term made up by our anti-gun media for military style rifles that they claim are "evil" I own one of those so called "assault weapons": that is a semiautomatic rifle, that shoots a cartridge, that is too low powered to use for deer hunting in most states. I don't need the government taking that away from me. I certainly don't want other government, including the UK which considers its citizens "subjects" and not "citizens" involved in any way. Fully automatic weapons have been controlled since the 1934 National Firearms act. A magazine limit would not bother me too much.. but would also do little good. Do you really expect criminals, whether sane or insane to pay any attention to any of these laws? None of these measures would have stopped the shooter at Sandy Hook who murdered his mother and stole her guns. Maybe if she had them locked up in a safe it would have, but she didn't see the threat from her insane son. The second amendment is not about hunting, its in the Bill of rights for a very specific reason, to protect the rights of "the people" So convince me, don't just throw out the same old ideas, without explaining how its going to keep bad people from doing bad things.
5. Jim Clayton wrote on 1/25/2013 1:19:30 PM
With all due respect I have to disagree. I don't disagree that guns in the worng hands (the untrained, the unlawful, and the mentally incompetent)are a problem, but I do disgree that more legislation is the answer. Our legal system, our school system, and even our church system is already bogged down with too much legislation that is either unessary or not being enforced. I think the first step we need to take as a country, or as an educational program, or a religious denomination is to audit what we have. Make sure there are no duplicitous rulings and ensure that there are not rules, laws, or guidelines that are already sufficient to deal with a problem that are simply not being used and have been forgotten. Many states have gun safety courses and if those were enforced to the letter there would be fewer accidents. There are laws to prevent or discourage much of what has happened, but they have been lost in the shuffle or ignored to prove some kind of point. The mentally ill side of things actually worked in this case, the shooter in Newtown was actually turned down when he attempted to purchase a gun due to his past history of psychological trouble. New isn't better or enlightened, it is simply the path chosen to garner political and public favor.
6. robert harvey wrote on 1/25/2013 3:04:30 PM
I don't know how to explain this if you don't understand..Mr king says he is from England...it could be understood that he does not get it..its the constitution.. the second amendment can be changed... but you don't have the votes...why would a government want guns from law abiding people? why would a church allow itself to be coopted?? I will not walk to the warm showers...we have seen this throughout history..is it different here? do you see the war being waged against Catholic religion or is that OK its not us? facts are a carry state has less crime...remember elion Gonzalez I do and the compliance the church had with that....don't know if you were promised something...but remember when the snake bites you and you ask why he will say its what.I.do
7. Barry King wrote on 1/27/2013 7:30:28 PM
Yes as Mr Harvey stated.I am from England.My concern is for common sense and to know my Grandson is safe.I have defended people right of freedom and the rights of freedom of faith.I am a Hunter and a Target shooter and understand the 2nd that gives you the right to own and bare firearm's.I also defend the right to concealed carry providing you are of good mind and are mentaly able to do so .I do not need however a M16 or a sks or a AK 47 To go deer Hunting or to defend my home or wife if i have to .In fact I instructed the British equal to swat which is s019 .And in the event a single person is going to be in a fir fight to defend ether his wife or family ether on the street or home the most that may be fire at one time would be three or four rounds at the most each if that much .I trained that most end with one or two rounds..What they did in England was wrong and i hope it will never happen here.My rights under the freedom of speach act is to say i do not see the need for some of the weapons that are on the streets.God gave us all the right to enjoy peace and my brothers and Sister of all faith has a right to live in a safe world of the Many not of the few .There is a high gun trade that has beeeen done in places like Mexico and Irland where they have been smuggled into Irland they did not all come from Lybia .I came here to be with my wife .To see my Grand children grow up.I support the retired Pastors who do not want to see right removed just rights with common sense I pray all the time for world peace and Thank the lord for my Good friends of all Faith and my Good friends of all races
8. Robert Carroll wrote on 1/28/2013 8:30:26 PM
I am a candidate for a Licensed Local Pastor appointment in the NIC of the UMC. Kudos to these men for their stance on gun control. I was raised with a .22 rifle(single shot) from my early youth. No one needs military style rifles unless they are IN the military and are defending us against those who would try to destroy our Nation, under God, and its leaders. We don't need elephant guns to bring down rabbits or squirrels! May God have mercy on this country.
9. aliceinwonder wrote on 2/1/2013 12:00:00 AM
Why not just call yourselves "Pastors against the Constitution"?
10. Jay Morris wrote on 2/1/2013 12:00:00 AM
I stopped reading after the third bullet point. With this many errors & misinformation in points 2 & 3 I have no hope for the rest of it.
11. Harry Newbury wrote on 2/2/2013 12:00:00 AM
I agree with Reverends Miley Palmer and Howard Daughenbaugh that it would be inexcusable for our society (read as you and me, comment by HN)to remain silent...on this issue. Although I could take issue with many of the statements in their well written letter, I'll confine my remarks to one statement: "We think the majority of NRA members (if not their leaders) would agree with such steps." I believe this statement is false.
12. Phillip Swank wrote on 2/2/2013 12:00:00 AM
Blessings to these men. May the spirit of God work through them. I just handed in my letter pulling my membership and leadership role in a local United Methodist Church as I have tried to prompt a similar response in the Pennsylvania UMC and have been completely ignored by my pastor and lay leader who think protection of the 2nd amendment is more important than protecting children, by the district chief, and conference bishop and staff. It appears to me that leaders in the UMC are either controlled by NRA or fear backlash from gun toters in the pews. I pray the spirit of light and peace finds a place in this denomination.
13. Phillip Swank wrote on 2/2/2013 12:00:00 AM
Notice these men are RETIRED United Methodist pastors. Apparently those currently on church payrolls do not have the courage to stand up.
14. Angie wrote on 2/3/2013 2:24:22 AM
I agree with Jim and Scott...I am a mental health professional who has worked in the prisons. Taking all rights away from everyone does not curb violence. Perhaps if we had at least 1/2 of the mental health services suggested from the 1950's (and our population has grown and seems a little more disturbed), maybe we could educate families and other pertinent parties to remove or reduce access to all weapons by those that would senselessly kill others. The "assault weapons" aforementioned are just multiclip. You have to pull the trigger each time you shoot it. I know because though I am a female, I own one. I go shooting on occasion with my spouse at a shooting range. They are fun, and it takes skill to shoot targets...that is the PAPER kind. Most of the people who go to these shooting ranges are VERY careful and follow rules. Many are former military, and others are linked to law enforcement in some capacity. It is generally safe, except for the occasional brainless person who accidentally waves a firearm around in a manner that violates the strict rules on the course. You can skeet shoot, and occasionally they have "turkey shoots" usually targets...and you can win things like a turkey---usually a frozen one from the store. It's all in fun. I can say that though I was once against guns and a whole slew of things mentioned here....once I started playing with them, it became a different story. I will say, that in my opinion and having worked with inmates in institutional settings, and they can make weapons out of anything: string, paperclips, plastic, you name it but the most common weapon in murders is a knife---are we going to outlaw having them in our kitchens and restaurants and have only a professional military leader or "authorized chef" blend or chew our food for us because of it? (OF COURSE NOT!!! THAT'S ABSURD...YOU MIGHT THINK--but the arguments against guns are just as absurd! Most people CAN be trusted with both knives and guns....MOST, that is---) BTW the Russian mafias dug up old military weapons and re-pieced them together after similar bans and economic conditions led to increased criminalization. So what is the answer? What is causing this slew of violence? Is it guns or gun owners or gun ownership? OF COURSE NOT....it is something deeper, a disjointed abusive, materialistic society that is spiritually and mentally sickened with little reasoning and warped justification to take the lives of others. It is all the social ails that people with degrees like myself are paid to work to reduce, and that ministers strive to affect....but with the laborers being few and the work being great, the effectiveness of the few has reduced and the population has grown...so instead of thinking about doing as we do in the prisons and removing all risks of harm, reducing movement, and freedom, and treating all as if they are serial killers...let's look at the cure and the true cause and work on it verses imprisoning all in paranoid anticipation of where a violent, angry, antisocial/psychopathic evil influenced heart MAY strike next. Just my opinion.
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